Opera 11 finally better than Firefox
Posted 24 November 2010 - 05:17 AM
I've also used Opera 10 from time to time, but I felt some features/extensions are missing (mainly dev tools and adblocker) AND the diff-view on Google Code was messed up, but it's obviously fixed since 10.63. Now I tried version 11 Beta and it's just awesome! It's possible now to install/uninstall "real" extensions without restart. Overal performance is very good and (on the long run) much better than Firefox. Only cons for me are the lack of some good extension, but I guess they will come with time. Also the beta still has some small bugs, but they will probably dissapear in the final version.
What you think of Opera? You can try the beta here.
Posted 24 November 2010 - 07:24 AM
There are tons of addons and the Addon API is pretty cool (think of an addon as a "hidden" webpage with some js attached). There are some drawbacks though: There's nothing like the famous LiveHttpHeaders FF extension for Chrome. And the headers displayed in the developer tools are not the raw headers, but some filtered version of them (whoever made that decision ). The source code view also always seems to reload the page, which is nasty, if the current page resulted e.g. from a POST operation. But you can at least inspect the current page elements, so this is not such a big deal.
All in all i like Chrome for its "reduce to the max" approach.
Never tried Opera though.
Posted 24 November 2010 - 07:44 AM
Mainly it's about Firebug. Though Opera comes with a pretty good dev-console called Dragonfly, it's not as good as Firebug imo. But at least it's inbuild and faster. For now there are only 8 simple dev-tool extensions for Opera 11.
I have Chrome installed for developing/testing, but I don't really like it. Maybe too simple for me.
Posted 24 November 2010 - 08:29 AM
Posted 24 November 2010 - 11:45 AM
I still open Firefox and often during development I will have Chrome and FF open and of course the devils tool(IE) to monitor incompatibilities.
Posted 24 November 2010 - 01:40 PM
I don't like Chrome at all.
Tried to like it, but it just feels wrong.
And Firefox is getting bloated, that's for sure...
I have used Safari, and I like it, but I find it too polished.
I use IE (often), Firefox (always) and Chrome (sometimes), and Safari.
I'll give Opera a shout and report back.
Posted 24 November 2010 - 03:33 PM
I have to say that I am a FF-Freak, but I do agree with you that, even in a Macosx, it have huge memory problems... you are right, it doesnt goes down of 500 MB and sometimes it even hangs but... I have yet not found a better tool that firebug or some of the extensions to debug, measure time loads, etc...
Yes, Chrome is ok, but not powerful enough... we *Neeeeed* to check HTTP headers, debug server and client values -no need for breakpoints (hated IE), manipulate CSS styles 'live' to see what the hell is happening with floats, variants or whatever our beloved browsers do with our cool designs...
Posted 25 November 2010 - 07:08 AM
And it feels faster.
Sort of like in the middle between Chrome and Firefox. I like that.
I noticed that it's got a much better inspection tool than Firebug pre-installed.
Which is a huge plus for webdevs like us.
Thumbs up, Y!! And thanks!
Posted 25 November 2010 - 07:56 AM
-moz-border-radius: 5px; -webkit-border-radius: 5px; border-radius: 5px;
Anyone know if there is a CSS way to get rounded corners in IE ?
Just answered my own question
Even Microsoft have promised, and demonstrated in their recent preview release, support for border-radius from Internet Explorer 9 onward (without prefix).
Maybe in a few years we can drop the -moz and -webkit prefix.
Posted 25 November 2010 - 06:59 PM
Posted 26 November 2010 - 05:51 AM
This post has been edited by ekerazha: 26 November 2010 - 05:54 AM
Posted 28 November 2010 - 08:20 AM
Currently i'm quite disappointed though, since Opera is frequently crashing on OS X, on two different systems. But the UI is still unmatched by other browsers in my opinion, so even this annoyance won't make me switch.
Posted 29 November 2010 - 01:43 PM
Don't like it when Opera inserts extra line breaks when I post to this forum.
I have to go back and edit them out.
Do you have a trick? Or is this an IP board bug?
Posted 29 November 2010 - 05:15 PM
Posted 30 November 2010 - 11:04 AM
Posted 30 November 2010 - 12:50 PM
Posting this from Opera. No extra line breaks.
Posted 30 November 2010 - 01:26 PM
And it does indeed insert an extra break each time I press return.
That's not very cool.
I wonder what's so special about my Opera?
It's out-of-box Opera..
And now, when editing, it inserts an extra line break too..
Safari, Firefox, IE - doesn't do that to me.
Posted 02 December 2010 - 05:12 PM
doesn't do that.
Try to clean up your cache / cookies. It may help.